What it is about dnb that helps it survive underground??

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just wanted to know what u guys thought helps dnb scene to survive underground?

Me personally i think its beacuse dnb is diverse has something for every one from chilled out soulful beats, to hard dark stuff, most can find summit they like about it
i like it being underground because alou sum disagree hehe most people involved are purley here for love of the music and not 2 make money that keeps the scene fresh, and the tunes much better its cool to see how the tunes hav changed ova time.
Also we hav such a divese bunch of ravers from rude boys 2 dreds n in generall a gud vibe ! In the words of stevie hyper d ''no matta wot colour what size ''
It survives without the media spotlight, celebrities and merchandise because it doesn't need them to survive; the music speaks for itself. I love dnb n want it 2 keep moving forward i hope it neva sells out and becomes ' too' mainstream beacuse tunes like shy fx shake ya body reliiii dont do it 4 me! lol! ne ways peace tell me wot u fink

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I agree about that, and as someone who has been into other scenes in the past D&B does seem to have a very diverse & multi-cultural fanbase compared to more mainstream genres which i guess helps it survive underground without the need for media attention.

Another thing which i think helps is the fact that D&B advances so fast musically. Which is great considering there isnt as many actual artists out there as many other genres. Compared to house or techno etc which is much more in the media spotlight, there seems to be less international artists and artists able to actually release a track on vinyl which is a shame, but i feel will change in time, especially with the rise of digital mixing technology.

Something that I feel does have to change is the fact that the scene is not letting enough new talent in but i guess thats a whole seperate thread lol.

I feel d&b will keep goin strong for years to come, even if some sections of it become more mainstream (shy FX & pendulum im lookin at u lol) seeing as it is just so diverse, if you see Trance or House on at a club u kno pretty much what you are going to get, if you see D&B it could b any type from the sick+ twisted to deep beats to liquid, and thats what I love about it

The strongest point has to b the ppl involved with d&b love it, were not here strictly for the cash like crappy pop music or most trance stuff, and that shows in the music.

Basically i think Its all about the love for the music all tru d&b fans hav that keeps the scene movin and changin so quickly

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every scene has its underground, from punk to funk to house to techno to dnb and so on

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^^^^ that was me

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Some great points from everyone.

And yeh u r totally on point there Spex.

With regard to dnb tho, I think a factor that no one has mentioned yet which is very important is that we have such a strong indie scene. The labels are owned wholly by the djs, mcs and producers....the majors just can't get in on it (except for the odd titbit thrown at them by Roni Size).

The majors just can't feel the pulse of the music and they just can't get on top of it (and thats not through lack of trying)....it doesn't fit their usual formats in terms of marketing and so forth. Thankfully we have this strong independent set of labels and their related nights etc which are the bedrock of it all - and which also appeal to other independent minded people which helps build the scene into what it is.

I agree that most people make this music and indulge in it etc for the love of it - I guess thats what i feel comin back at me when i start slappin those tunes on the dex -bwoy it gets me electric

So long as we (as a scene) own the music the expressions forthcoming will always be true to the hearts, minds and souls of those involved - people can and will make the music they believe in.

Plus lets face it, jungle ravin makes even the most sensible person totally loose their rag, start screaming and shouting and leaping about - pretenses just get dropped because the music is so overwhelming. Stancing just don't work, the sweat flows too freely. And I think this is condusive to a wild atmosphere that actually represents our independence, rawness and the primeval ecstasy we find in the dance. No one is letting go of that, and that is what we are about.

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yeah definet, I think drum and bass survives for so long because it has element of other music in it as well. Drum and bass people don't just listen to DnB, they also listen to other music. DnB has all these elements from jazz, to rock, I mean what can I say DnB is the SHIT:D. later! ZOOBIAN

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Unfortunately or fortunately, depending how u look at it, drum n bass will sooner or later crack into mainstream or the commercial market. We got a little taste from the Gorillaz song Feel Good inc. (which won a grammy)(and yes it is basically dnb slowed down) Now, when i say mainstream i mean kinda how reggaton has been doing it. If u follow that music u know what im talkin about.

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Hip Hop, Reggae, Rock, REAL soul all have their commercial side. I think its just a case of checking for the productions that don't fall into the commercial market.

My example Raggaton a phase, Reggae still goes strong outside of the commercial side of the Industry.

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true enuff spex

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Reggaton is definetly not a phase. It has been out since el general back in the 80's. Its just been recently noticed by the world (as in non-latinos) in the past several years. There are too many latinos in the world for it just to be a phase. Reggaton is part of latin music such as salsa, bachata and merengue. It defenitely wont go anywhere, its basically like the hiphop of latin culture.

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me and my friends always say that dnb is the punk rock of electronic music. its a culture all about the love of the music. folks of all types come out to support the rawness. I have been spinning some dnb down here and I can tell you, folks really go nuts when they here good shit- ------

but to get back on the subject, I think that dnb has elements of a lot of things, which is what I think makes it so appealing to so many types of people, and I think that once the major labels figure out how to market it and make money off of it, they will be exploiting it. That is just the nature of the business. I do like that fact that though now dnb is owned by those who make it, and are keeping it nice and safe in the shadows for those of us who really love it, to keep this wonderful secret to ourselves a bit longer

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To me DnB is so diverse. The artist and fanbase especially. The music always changes. I think another reason it stays underground is that DnB changes so much and stays so true to its creative side that it's forever new. There are no boundaries on the production side of things as well as the mixin' side. Well, just my thoughts!!

Worlz