Road Pricing

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Only 23 days left if you haven't already signed the petition -

There are already well over 1.5 Million signatures on there so it just shows what people think about these plans.

Don't let Tony's 'big brother' government get their evil way with this one.

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its stupid

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E-petition: Response from the Prime Minister

The e-petition asking the Prime Minister to "Scrap the planned vehicle tracking and road pricing policy" has now closed. This is a response from the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.

This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.

It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.

That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.

But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.

One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.

Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.

Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.

But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.

One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.

A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.

Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.

That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.

It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.

I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.

Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.

Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.

We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Blair

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i just can't imagine ol' crooner tone' sitting down with a cuppa and typing that e mail!!!! especially after he's cleared all the porn from his inbox.

one simple way around this is.....to register ur car in a rural area (mate, gran, cousin ect)

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Kalaish wrote:

one simple way around this is.....to register ur car in a rural area (mate, gran, cousin ect)

It don't work like that mate...

Road pricing would track where your car actually goes, not where its registered to.. (although you can save ££s on your insurance that way... )

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rofl @gav n our gen aint had a gud riot yet......... tru whos ready!!!!

and i liv in rural area so if they do jst do it 2 ya address ill b ok but stil i fink its fuckin madness @trackin idea tony pull ya big hairy finger out ya arse!

and martin gud point he aint got no excuses

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Now over 23,000 signatures!
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

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Motoring groups have expressed concern about a possible government plan to install satellite tracking systems in cars to curb speeding drivers.

Trials of a scheme are taking place at Leeds University and involve black-box transmitters in cars to monitor driving and record any breach of the speed limit.

Using a national database, the speed limit for any road would be automatically communicated to the black box.

The plan has been attacked by the Conservatives as well as the Association of British Drivers, which has led the opposition to speed cameras and road pricing.

The RAC Foundation also spoke of its fears for the scheme, which is known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation.

ok, so they are backing down about putting tracking devices in our cars for road pricing, they will just be for speeding instead ... Oh thats all right then

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Yeah, I remember them going on about this a few years ago...

Dangerous, IMHO.
You know how lorries, for example, are limited electronically to 56mph? When this was introduced, lorry accidents shot up. The reason? Lorry drivers getting bored, as all they have to do is slam the accelerator to the floor and steer. Boredom = not paying attention = accidents. Be the same for cars.

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This whole thing is illogical.

There already is a virtual tax per mile....and one that requires no bugging of vehicles.

Fuel duty

It is unavoidable, and the more miles one travels, the more one pays. The only people who don't give a f*ck about trying to be economical (or 'green') are the rich (coz they can afford notr to care...) which will be no different under the proposed system.

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Yeah, I remember them going on about this a few years ago...

Dangerous, IMHO.
You know how lorries, for example, are limited electronically to 56mph? When this was introduced, lorry accidents shot up. The reason? Lorry drivers getting bored, as all they have to do is slam the accelerator to the floor and steer. Boredom = not paying attention = accidents. Be the same for cars.

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The Govt wont take the slightest notice of anyone, but now they know where you are.
Scrap the Govt i say..that would be a start.

Rant over

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man is this still going on thought they would of done something about it by now

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