Biometric Passports

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Just for yr info, if u do not want a biometric passport (ie ID card) then be sure to renew yr passport now. They have been gradually introducing the new type since March 2006, but most peeps will still get the old style if they apply now. Once you have a biometric passport then you have an ID card .. simple as

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ah, I've got another 8 years or so on my passport, only renewed it in the last couple of years no ID card for me for a bit anyway

And I'm sure all of the terrorists will walk around with genuine ID cards. I think it really is worth the £billions that Tony wants to spend and I'm sure it will make a huge difference

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mmmm was aware of this topic.fortunatly iv already ahead that way but think that biometric will be a big big buisiness 1 day with most things using bio technology like homes,banks,etc etc so maybe we are just delaying better technology rather than getting ball rolling?but of course id cards are a taboo subject and most people have diffrent views i personally dnt care as long as i can continue life as normal and it doesnt affect our daily lifes.

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Interrogation centres:
On March 26th this year, the Identity and Passport Service (did you even
know they'd changed the name?) opens some new offices as part of the
build up to the ID card scheme that the government wants to introduce.
By the end of the year there will be 69 of these interrogation centres,
and people applying for their first adult passport from April 2007 will
the guinea-pigs for a process the government is calling "Authentication
by Interview".

There's NOTHING in it for you - though the government is currently
spending lots of taxpayers money trying to tell young people there is.

All the information collected will be kept on file for ever. It will
certainly end up more expensive than the £66 passports currently cost,
too, since you'll have to pay for officials to gather a dossier on you
and the perform an "intrusive interview" as part of the price - as well
as losing a day of your life to visit an interrogation centre.

If you want to know more about how things will work once the system is
in place, please scroll down.

If you care about your freedoms, and not having government officials
poking around in your private life - or your friends' and family's -
then please apply for your first adult passport BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF
APRIL 2007, and pass this message on.

You could save yourself or someone close to you a lot of trouble.
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How ID interrogations will work:

When you apply for a passport you will be asked to give lots of
information about yourself: official numbers, addresses for the last few
years, your educational institutions, that sort of thing. And you'll
sign to declare that it's the truth.

That information will be used to look up everything that can be found
out about you on all the government and private sector databases they
can lay their hands on: school records, social services, police, credit
checking, perhaps family details... to build a single dossier on you
containing personal information. "Data-rape", some people call it.

First a few people, then every new applicant, will be called in to their
nearest interrogation centre. There you will be fingerprinted and
photographed (once they have installed the equipment), and put through
an "intrusive interview" - the government's own words - to check that
you can give answers about private details of your life that agree with
the official ones. If you can, you'll get your passport. If not... it is
not clear, but trying to get a passport under 'false pretenses' - if the
computer says "no" - could be quite serious. If nothing else, it will
mean delay and more intrusion.

In fact, the government has already estimated that 1 in 4 people who
apply under this new procedure will have to cancel their trip because
they don't get their passport in time.

The government's plan is that all passports will be issued like this
eventually. But you can take simple action now to keep off the database
for ten years. And ALL opposition parties have now promised to abolish
the ID scheme - so if you escape for 10 years, you may escape for ever.

If you haven't got one already, get yourself a full ten-year passport
now. As long as you apply before many interrogation centres are open,
and the system is fully operational, your chances of avoiding data-rape
are good. And by doing so you help to stop the same thing happening to
everyone else by telling Tony Blair and his bullying government to "Take
a hike".

For more information on the progress of passport procedures, check out
http://www.renewforfreedom.org - the Identity and Passport Service
website currently tells you very little.

Get a passport NOW. And tell your friends, if you think their private
lives should be their own.

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I hear that criminals can clone id cards.

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On panorama when they investigated how secure these passports and ID cards are it they got hold of kit that lets you reproduce identical copies of these new style passports very easily. You don't even need to nick the original or see it. Because they are RFID tagged, if you pick up a reciever you can sit in an airport carpark and scan everyone within 30 odd metres (thru walls and all) and you have all their details including the biometric stuff, address, job, and so forth and then all these passports can be cloned easy as 1,2,3. If you know how you can make one of these recievers/scanners from stuff in Maplin, and they picked up the software the government uses to create/read the passports up off the darknet or some source..They did it on the programme....too easy.

Sounds like a recipe for insecurity, poorly thought out technology that is a big contract for some government buddy's company and that intriduces a further level of surveillance to our increasingly authoritarian society. Notice too how the USA etc are holding back to see how ours goes and once they see all the failings they will introduce their own improved version (which will be just as unlibertarian, but probably more efficient). In fact these cards will be out of date before they are fully rolled out (but the government contractor will have made billions out of our tax paying for the project) and they will simply be microchipping people (possibly at birth).....once the culture has been made to accept it must sacrifice liberty for security and the cards are accepted the government will have a cart blanche to go further becuase it will be natural and culturally acceptable. And those growing up will now no different.

As for Nad's point about just getting on with things - well I don't think it will be that easy. The ID cards that are coming in with the passports and will become compulsory will (as well as being insecure) only hamper the lifes of normal people. just yesterday there was a roadblock on Romford Road, police checking all people on public transport and many in private transport....not for fare dodging or the like, just taking details...just a checkpoint. At first the ID cards will be non compulsory, but you can bet with the next wave of legislation they will become a compulsory must have item and you won't be able to go a city block without showing it. The police state will be in full effect. And will the terrorists / hardcore criminals have one emblazoned with their status? I think not. And since they will be used for everything, if someone scans yours and clones it they don't just have 1 of your creditcards....they have the thing that allows them to be you - allows them to assume your identtiy in every situation.

It's a scam.

Not only that but they can track the RFID tag in the card/passport (just like anyone with a radio transceiver can). Along with the bug they want to put in your car and this swathe of pathetic terror legislation they have brought in....well if you show too much dissent then, they can make you disappear real easy. They know exactly all your patterns, they know all your habits, they know your every detail on a level higher than ever before. All they have to do is accuse you of being a terrorist....sure they are using the whole Jihad thing as a reason for these bullshit laws now, but who might they decide to focus on in the future? Eco terrorists? Demonstrators (terrorists)? Those who don't like Tony Blair, and who feel an affinity with the Gunpowder Plot? (Especially now they have this machine that apparently reads your thoughts, they can say, ahh you thought negative thoughts - you are a disenter, you are a terrorist http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,2009217,00.html). In effect if they don't like you they will be able to find a 'terrrist' thopught crime easy enough.....who hasn't felt like they'd like to get rid of the government?

These cards, passports and the road bug system etc give the state way too much power. They serve no useful function except that of increasing authoritarian rule, paranoia and the iron hold of government as an oligharchic elite (rather than the public servants they should be). We don't live in a real democracy, a real democracy has real choice. In our country we are barraged year after year with singular policies that will come in, there is no genuine democratic debate - just like Iraq, these cards etc have already been decided. There is no vote, there is no choice, there is no debate....there is just a long PR effort to bring them in without riots. If they brought them all in at once there would be riots if not revolution, but they ain't gonna make the mistake Maggie made with the Poll tax. No they are bringing them in bit by bit with passports etc so there are never too many people getting them at once....never too many to band together pissed off....but in a num,ber of years suddenly everyone will have one and if you do not you will suddenly be the odd one out.....and the shepherds will move the sheep where they please. And butcher those that don't follow the herd. Baaaaaaaa

As Thomas Jefferson said “He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both.”

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They say we dont live in a police state, but when theres cameras on every fuckin corner some with mics, pathetic laws, injustice, and id cards......Its getting there. I for one am not goin to even apply for one or send any information when asked. In my eyes it is IN A WAY a violation of human rights. Why should I have my identity AS A PERSON including D N fuckin A plastered on a server somewhere for any one to see........Nah thanks tony love your allright.....
Another thing, if your taken into custordy, you get your DNA, fingerprints and photo taken EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT CHARGED WITH ANY CRIMINAL OFFENCE!!!! fuckin liberty!

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I hear they will even put scanners in lampposts to check if you've got any hidden weapons etc. And when we complain about it they'll just say 'we are trying to protect you from the terrorists...blame the terrorists' a very very very silly excuse terrorism or no terrorism they still would of done it anyway...they trying to be nosy thats all.

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i applied at the start of last year and got a biometric one. Luckily for the id cards they will need dna, iris recognition which means one going somewhere to get it done and i certianly wont be turning up

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anyway....if u saty in doors 24 hours a day, dont think or question, vote, order your shopping via tesco online , visit chucrh every sunday and vote for big brother evictions when required then u have nothing to worry about

once u leave your front door u become a security risk and a threat to national security.

STAY AT HOME.....SUPPLY THE DAILY URINE SAMPLE WHEN ASKED..........DO NOT TURN OFF YOUR TV...........CURFUE IS ENFORCED FROM FROM 7PM .......and remember........

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all i gotta say = WOT A LOAD OF BOLLOX

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